Cadillac starting their own 'Black' series for V models?

"MooseKnuckles" (andyschenk) 01/15/2014 at 19:34 • Filed to: ATS-V+, Cadillac, ATS, V8, turbo

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Mercedes has AMG models for people with a screw or two loose, but their 'Black' cars are reserved for people missing the screws altogether. Is Cadillac thinking they can appease these crazy-as-batshit people too?

The ATS-V is in development. Best of the rumors says it will be getting the now familiar 3.6TT which can be found in the XTS Vsport and CTS Vsport, with 410hp/370lb-ft and 420hp/430lb-ft respectively.
The twin-turbo V6 is expected to be turning out closer to 450hp in the ATS-V. This is good, especially considering the amount of weight the M3/M4 have shed combined with their 425hp BMW estimate, and we all know how BMW estimates.

Now comes word that Cadillac is working on even more powerful version of their V cars. Or at least the ATS-V. !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! and !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! are referring to it as ATS-V+. '+'? I'm not sure about that, maybe a little 'R' sub-letter post 'V'. Or maybe just a winky face instead of an R would be more fitting.

Naming aside, this wild beast of an engine, caged inside the Alpha platform, is apparently not going to be a futher tuned version of the twin-turbo 3.6L. It will be a different engine altogether. V8 in fact. LT4 a la 2015 Z06? Maybe the 4.5TT V8 that was in the Elmiraj concept? Can we dream that the LS7 will live on past the Z/28!? According to MT this engine will not be the twin-turbo LT1 (LT5, I think is what it'll be called) that is intended for the CTS-V and also according to them the next ZR1.
This 'V+' is expected by 2017.

Do they know what they are talking about in regards to any of this: ATS-V+, ZR1, LT1 TT? Let's hope so.

JR1 > MooseKnuckles 01/15/2014 at 19:46

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I don't want to set my hopes too high but if they make a ATS-V+ I may die!

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > MooseKnuckles 01/15/2014 at 19:53

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They don't need to appease their rabid skunkworks engineers.

All they need to do is lock them in the cellar, tell them that the best way to hurt the company is by killing their customer base and watch as they produce bonkers vehicle after bonkers vehicle.

I'm fairly certain that's the model that Mercedes uses at least :)

the__man > MooseKnuckles 01/15/2014 at 19:54

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oh y'all just wait. GM is only getting started.

GhostZ > BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires 01/15/2014 at 19:57

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No, you're forgetting the part where Mercedes secretly pays Top Gear to promote every black edition car it comes out with, and ignore the insane markups over the regular AMG versions!

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > GhostZ 01/15/2014 at 19:59

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Ah, I see.

That is a triumph of the marketing division isn't it?

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > MooseKnuckles 01/15/2014 at 20:00

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So, the next Camaro Z??

GhostZ > the__man 01/15/2014 at 20:01

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Begun, the performance war has.

Zoom > MooseKnuckles 01/15/2014 at 20:22

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Gods of War, please let there be not only an SC V-8 very soon in the CTS, but bestow an ATS version upon us also.

Can I get an Amen ?

EL_ULY > MooseKnuckles 01/15/2014 at 20:39

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Volvo also has like a Black line but think for Sweden only

MooseKnuckles > EL_ULY 01/15/2014 at 21:19

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Isn't that kind of what Polestar is?

ihm96 > MooseKnuckles 01/15/2014 at 22:14

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I think Polestar would be the same thing as AMG, M, or V, but I'm not an expert on volvos

Axial > MooseKnuckles 01/15/2014 at 23:27

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Needs more V-16.

MooseKnuckles > ihm96 01/16/2014 at 07:50

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Polestar is the factory racing team for Volvo, and does tune their road cars, but it's not an in house tuner like AMG/M/V. I guess it's similar to how Corvette engineers work along side Pratt and Miller (Vette race team) for the development of Corvettes.
Polestar seems to be making a greater impact on Volvo's product portfolio, basically every time you see a baby blue Volvo it's a Polestar.

ihm96 > MooseKnuckles 01/16/2014 at 07:56

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I didn't even realize Volvo had much of a racing team.

MooseKnuckles > ihm96 01/16/2014 at 08:14

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I know they are in V8 Supercars, and various touring car series in Europe. Randy Pobst drives a Volvo, but not for the factory team.

LuczOr > MooseKnuckles 01/16/2014 at 12:07

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They can't use CTS-V.R because this is the CTS-V.R.

MooseKnuckles > LuczOr 01/16/2014 at 12:26

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A sub-letter 'R' though. And no '.'

LuczOr > MooseKnuckles 01/16/2014 at 14:06

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CTS-Vr and CTS-V.R are so close though. Nomenclature needs more variation than that, but I guess you do get R/T and SRT which are pretty close.

MooseKnuckles > LuczOr 01/16/2014 at 14:24

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99% of people won't know the CTS-V.R. And does it matter if they are similar? The car would basically be the closest thing you can get to the GT car. Would be good for marketing and commercials.